tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post7570700233159623096..comments2024-03-24T19:23:14.865-07:00Comments on Cave of the Dice Chucker: Level Titles: FighterTimrod http://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-53181093019034812972021-05-21T14:37:53.745-07:002021-05-21T14:37:53.745-07:00You're right, no one has ever really cared abo...You're right, no one has ever really cared about level titles, with the exception of Pelltar, the sorceror from L1 Secret of Bone Hill who really hated it when folks in town called him an enchanter. <br /><br />In keeping with Steering Wheel Holder, a first level fighter shall hence be known as "weapon guy."Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-44956002076799666582021-05-16T18:40:57.732-07:002021-05-16T18:40:57.732-07:00Necro posting again, sorry.
Veteran never bothered...Necro posting again, sorry.<br />Veteran never bothered me as a title for the 1st level, but then I never really thought about *any* of the class "level" titles either; I can't think of any instances or games in Basic or Advanced where we ever used any of them. "Did I level up?" "You're a Myrmidon" "Oh, yeah? Same to you, buddy!" <br />I could definitely get behind the Armsman or Shieldbearer titles, though. Along with RPGs, one of my other interests is playing Trucking sims and watching trucker videos for the lingo and "campaign" background ;) Among them it is a common belief that nearly anyone can get a CDL license; you have to prove yourself in the field before you get to be called a "Driver", before that you are just a "Steering Wheel Holder".<br />Gnarlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09585463086570953117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-72650902691305860772012-06-28T07:04:42.078-07:002012-06-28T07:04:42.078-07:00We made a change long ago when our ex-military bud...We made a change long ago when our ex-military buddy suggested changes.<br />1st Armsman<br />2nd Veteran<br />3rd Swordsman<br />4th Swashbuckler<br />5th Hero<br />6th Myrmidon<br />7th Champion<br />8th Superhero<br />9th Lord<br />10+ Lord<br />etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-37971618140738303432012-06-26T11:13:25.705-07:002012-06-26T11:13:25.705-07:00Shieldbearer definitely puts novice fighters in th...Shieldbearer definitely puts novice fighters in their place. <br /><br />Depending on the setting, here are some others I'd consider: ensign, cadet, squire, plebe, grunt, bantam, punk,Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-15428664098824499892012-05-25T20:43:59.252-07:002012-05-25T20:43:59.252-07:00I've long used "shield bearer" inste...I've long used "shield bearer" instead of veteran.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07175512698266614039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-49627004682275119252012-05-24T00:48:34.697-07:002012-05-24T00:48:34.697-07:00Where are these "default assumptions" li...Where are these "default assumptions" listed? I don't think I've ever seen them.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-70260702460673859642012-05-24T00:32:30.189-07:002012-05-24T00:32:30.189-07:00"Otherwise armies wouldn't bother trainin..."Otherwise armies wouldn't bother training their troops before throwing them into combat."<br /><br />They frequently didn't. Peasant levies, "cannon fodder", etc.<br /><br />But I digress. It's perfectly cool that you have your own interpretation of what it means to be a member of the fighter class. It's not in line with the game's default assumptions, but that's alright. To each his own.Will Mistrettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18403399118961902073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-79259412276944329372012-05-23T23:38:37.648-07:002012-05-23T23:38:37.648-07:00Except your "elite few" warriors have on...Except your "elite few" warriors have only a 5% better chance of hitting their opponent than the non-elite "normal man." Anybody with combat training who hasn't seen actual combat is going to be substantially better off their first time in the thick of it than someone with no combat training--at least 5% better I would think. Otherwise armies wouldn't bother training their troops before throwing them into combat. <br /><br />And besides, I've worked under the assumption that 1st level fighters are newbies fresh out of the academy for 30+ years now, do you think reasonable arguments are going to change my trajectory now? Freakin' Brezhnev was in office when I first came to this conclusion and you want to change my mind with chatter about Gymnasts and flip books?! HA!Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-68369430234850890412012-05-23T20:10:17.441-07:002012-05-23T20:10:17.441-07:00I guess what I'm getting at is that an elite, ...I guess what I'm getting at is that an elite, classed fighter that has only had practice sessions is like a gymnast at the Olympics that read a book about how to do a flip once. :)Will Mistrettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18403399118961902073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-42836067212964668452012-05-23T19:51:39.070-07:002012-05-23T19:51:39.070-07:00"In your example, it is not necessary that th..."In your example, it is not necessary that the MU has cast a spell in an adventure setting, only that s/he has learned to cast a spell. Likewise, a 1st level fighter has learned how to fight, but has not necessarily been in actual combat."<br /><br />I think you're putting the cart before the horse, somewhat. A first level fighter that hasn't seen combat already has a title: Normal Man! The elite few fighting men that ever see first level have already been tempered in the flames of mortal combat. Magic-users? Apples and oranges!Will Mistrettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18403399118961902073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-72227450216738204452012-05-23T17:03:22.438-07:002012-05-23T17:03:22.438-07:00I've never particularly cared for Myrmidon...
...I've never particularly cared for Myrmidon...<br /><br />Actually, maybe 3rd level level would be a good spot for veteran. "Swordsman" has always seemed a bit too weapon-specific especially considering the number of axe-wielding dwarven fighters out there. By 3rd level you've seen enough combat to have developed a gritty demeanor and workmanlike competence, but the flamboyance of a hero or swashbuckler has yet to come.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-32897060206652555152012-05-23T16:33:03.974-07:002012-05-23T16:33:03.974-07:00It actually bothered me as well, although i wonder...It actually bothered me as well, although i wonder if recruit or enlistee might be more appropriate. Still, what to do with "Veteran" if you remove it from first level?Aaron E. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789462075611254929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-87122450805182145442012-05-23T16:04:57.945-07:002012-05-23T16:04:57.945-07:00Yeah, I get that, though I don't buy that all ...Yeah, I get that, though I don't buy that all 1st level fighters have necessarily seen action. Especially since in AD&D all men-at-arms and mercenaries beneath the officer class are assumed to be 0-level regardless of their actual combat experience. <br /><br />In your example, it is not necessary that the MU has cast a spell in an adventure setting, only that s/he has learned to cast a spell. Likewise, a 1st level fighter has learned how to fight, but has not necessarily been in actual combat.<br /><br />When you think of the term, especially as applied to athletes, you're still a rookie after your first game. Eventually you achieve non-rookie status--once the first season is over, but a 2nd year athlete is still not really considered a veteran. Such status is conferred on those with certain amount of experience on the job, not just the bare minimum of qualifications.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-35251043717542851372012-05-23T15:22:33.745-07:002012-05-23T15:22:33.745-07:00But that's exactly what a 1st level Fighter *i...But that's exactly what a 1st level Fighter *is*: someone whose been to war and learned how to fight. Non-veterans are 0-level. Just like a Magic-User has to have successfully cast a spell.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.com