tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post1467358755319960295..comments2024-03-24T19:23:14.865-07:00Comments on Cave of the Dice Chucker: DMG Sample Dungeon Part 4: Cult of the Fiery Eye or Palimpsest of HommletTimrod http://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-80219702828326992922023-04-20T07:21:12.787-07:002023-04-20T07:21:12.787-07:00In fact, G1 and G2 only have 8 pages each! G3 doub...In fact, G1 and G2 only have 8 pages each! G3 doubles in size to 16 pages, with D1 the same, and then D2 and D3 each get a few more pages.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11111841757762713919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-67801958831110542012020-01-25T15:24:11.291-08:002020-01-25T15:24:11.291-08:00Bravo! That was some really fun reading right the...Bravo! That was some really fun reading right there! :-)Blucherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07884756297191632350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-81244466952246063572012-07-20T13:56:11.042-07:002012-07-20T13:56:11.042-07:00(subscribing, nothing to see here).
Allan.(subscribing, nothing to see here).<br /><br />Allan.grodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800184312511280050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-84492318354974407082012-02-25T17:51:18.909-08:002012-02-25T17:51:18.909-08:00My goodness. Straight to the source eh? Nice wor...My goodness. Straight to the source eh? Nice work.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-74806794578555276242012-02-24T22:29:27.359-08:002012-02-24T22:29:27.359-08:00I pinged Luke and Ernie Gygax to see if they could...I pinged Luke and Ernie Gygax to see if they could recall any further details, but unfortunately neither can come up with any specifics. I'll have to ask Tim Kask and Rob when I see them in June.<br /><br />Allan.grodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800184312511280050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-41871597617158747802012-02-21T16:27:11.073-08:002012-02-21T16:27:11.073-08:00You did a nice job with these!
We'll send you...You did a nice job with these!<br /><br />We'll send you for some R&R over at Nulb!scottszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10327316054801308727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-72198748985828982242012-02-21T16:04:05.557-08:002012-02-21T16:04:05.557-08:00^ No doubt your right. But let me rest my pan her...^ No doubt your right. But let me rest my pan here for a bit.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-49685926052186632282012-02-18T03:16:33.945-08:002012-02-18T03:16:33.945-08:00@Timrod: There's still gold in them Gygaxian h...@Timrod: There's still gold in them Gygaxian hills...scottszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10327316054801308727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-51766376527662386992012-02-17T21:20:08.360-08:002012-02-17T21:20:08.360-08:00^Thanks! I should just retire now; no way I'm...^Thanks! I should just retire now; no way I'm finding another nugget like this again.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-28513063644647359722012-02-17T07:37:55.857-08:002012-02-17T07:37:55.857-08:00Just freakin' brilliant! That's some grea...Just freakin' brilliant! That's some great detective work.Charleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05856450957450446680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-83627303178870803452012-02-14T20:43:22.381-08:002012-02-14T20:43:22.381-08:00De nada. I posted pointers to here on a few GH bo...De nada. I posted pointers to here on a few GH boards, in case you want to check them out:<br /><br />- Canonfire! @ http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4906<br />- Knights & Knaves @ http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=9695<br />- My Facebook @ http://www.facebook.com/grodog/posts/254559234621189?ref=notif&notif_t=like<br />- Dragonsfoot @ http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=54506<br /><br />Allan.grodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800184312511280050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-75141752615326330292012-02-14T08:39:44.837-08:002012-02-14T08:39:44.837-08:00Thanks all!
@Zenopus--thanks for broaching the to...Thanks all!<br /><br />@Zenopus--thanks for broaching the topic to Frank Mentzer; I keep forgetting that even the guys who wrote the game have access to the internet. Maybe I'll go over there and pester him about some other pet theories of mine. <br /><br />@Grodog--That is interesting, and I don't think I would have expected otherwise. If my theory as stated were actually dead on--that the Sample Dungeon was the original Hommlet dungeon--I think word would have gotten out by now. Mentzer's statement that T1 and the Sample Dungeon may have both came from something earlier makes more sense; the Sample Dungeon and the Moathouse are both layers of the same palimpsest.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-47955253316953281822012-02-14T05:00:24.332-08:002012-02-14T05:00:24.332-08:00That's a nice piece of comparative research. K...That's a nice piece of comparative research. Kudos!Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-29112586473858148872012-02-13T20:14:39.706-08:002012-02-13T20:14:39.706-08:00You have some excellent sleuthing there, Timrod! :...You have some excellent sleuthing there, Timrod! :D<br /><br />For context re: T1 vs. DMG, here are Gary's As to the Qs I asked about the missing maps from the DMG: <br /><br />http://www.enworld.org/forum/archive-threads/193204-gary-gygax-q-part-xiii-92.html#post3925108<br />and<br />http://www.enworld.org/forum/archive-threads/193204-gary-gygax-q-part-xiii-93.html#post3926107<br /><br />These don't disprove your theory, in my mind---they just show that Gary didn't want to reveal all of the creative cards in his hand: he'd answered in that same style to other Qs in the past.<br /><br />Allan.grodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800184312511280050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-65693750627393411692012-02-13T18:27:03.993-08:002012-02-13T18:27:03.993-08:00Since Gary is unfortunately not with us anymore, I...Since Gary is unfortunately not with us anymore, I just asked Frank Mentzer, co-author of T1-4, about this. He hangs out on Dragonsfoot and is very amenable to answering questions. Here's his <a href="http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=35588&start=1740#p1186534" rel="nofollow">quick response</a>:<br /><br />"Good catch. I was unaware of Timrod's research.<br /><br />I noted the similarity when I worked on T2 (as we called it, rather than T1-4). Of course the original T1 module was released in 1979, same as the DMG, so the correlation is natural.<br /><br />I don't know for sure, but I believe that both derived from another more sketchy version that Gary drew up between 1976 and 1978. I worked from Gary's original typewritten ms for T2, and from his hand-drawn maps (tho by then he knew to safeguard the originals, as his typewritten originals of the G and D series had been dumped in the trash). A copy of the original hand-drawn T1 map was among them, and I noted that it had been cleaned up for the '79 publication.<br /><br />I kept no copies of any of these maps, but Gail has the typewritten originals and original maps as well. Eventually this could be checked, praps in a Gygax Archive made available to scholars."Zenopushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04423199583499955572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-6443686541783910532012-02-13T16:05:22.054-08:002012-02-13T16:05:22.054-08:00Very nice work!Very nice work!scottszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10327316054801308727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-33464979770503681902012-02-13T15:41:12.526-08:002012-02-13T15:41:12.526-08:00^I intended to post this last Friday but I passed ...^I intended to post this last Friday but I passed out for 3 days when I found the zombie connection.Timrod https://www.blogger.com/profile/15308269015770538709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8267677579874715622.post-1369299950965369812012-02-13T14:18:32.300-08:002012-02-13T14:18:32.300-08:00*applause*
That zombie room is some damn good evi...*<i>applause</i>*<br /><br />That zombie room is some damn good evidence!Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.com