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Like most of you, I like to pretend that I don't give a crap about the edition wars; as if they're beneath me and all that. Yet also like you, I actually prefer the older, mustier versions of the game to those 21st century editions that the kids are rabid about these days.
That's where our similarities end, however, because unlike you I've actually found indisputable evidence to support my personal bias. You see, post-Gygaxian versions of D&D are objectively inferior for one simple reason: the Rogue. Introduced, I believe, in the much-vaunted 2nd edition of Advanced Big D [EDIT: it was 3rd ed., not 2nd {EDIT EDIT: I've now been informed that rogue was introduced as an archetype in 2nd ed. but not a class, whatever that means <EDIT EDIT EDIT: Now I'm being told that Rogue was a "group" in AD&D2, not an archetype. Did this ever have any value?>}], rogues are essentially thieves with a coat of paint to give them somewhat less illegitimacy. Or something.
I don't really know why they changed the name, but I do know that it has been scientifically proven that any edition of D&D that includes a class titled "Rogue"--regardless of any other merits it may have--is clearly the product of an inferior mind and should be derided mercilessly at every opportunity excepting only those situations when simply ignoring it seems more palatable.
DM: The chamber is filled by a viscous, burbling, black blob; it reeks overpoweringly of vomit and strychnine and seems to be sliming its way toward you. What do you do?Truly though, the term rogue has come to mean an outlier, someone who lives beyond the norms of society, who is possessed of an attitude of nonconformity. While definitely more open ended than "thief," this makes no sense at all as the name of a character class. What you have is a class that specializes in not doing what's expected of it. While there's no reason that you can't count on a well appellated thief to climb walls, decrypt codes, or defuse bombs for the good of the party, all you can expect from your rogue is that s/he/y's going to give you lip if you ask them to do something:
Roger the Rogue: I flash my most menacing grin and offer a defiant witticism.
DM: Ok, roll against your "Crack Wise in the Face of Danger" ability. While you've got your 20-sider handy go ahead and make a save vs. flesh-eating bile.
Fred the Fighter: I try to open the door on the west wall.
DM: It's locked.
[The rest of the party looks meaningfully at the "Rogue"]
Rachel the Rogue: Stick it ya' buncha' hosebags, I'm not your lapdog. [Leaps onto a nearby table sending crockery flying and raises a fist in the air] Fight the power!
Amen!
ReplyDelete(maybe I should have saved this response for a rant for/against clerics...)
Ooh, I'm working on a good cleric rant. Should have it ready by the holiday season.
ReplyDeleteI hate it because it increased the number of rouges in games. Say No to rouge!
ReplyDeleteThe thief class had its name changed to rogue in 3rd edition D&D, and the reason wasn't to veneer them with legitimacy, it was to emphasize their new customizability. "Hey, check it out, you don't have to play a thief anymore if you don't want to! You can put your skill points in Use Rope instead!"
ReplyDelete'Twas a sin of WotC; TSR remains blameless.
Thank you for filling in my knowledge gap Mr. Higgins. And I apologize if "filling in my knowledge gap" sounds a tad obscene.
ReplyDeleteNow if you'll excuse me, I'm off to Use Rope on some rouges with our colleague Kuseru. I also apologize of "Use Rope" also sounds vaguely obscene; though I now know that I can blame the Coastal Wizards for that one.
I thought this post was really, really good so I added a link to it in the Best Reads of the Week series I do. Here's the link in case you want to check it out:
ReplyDeletehttp://dyverscampaign.blogspot.com/2015/08/best-reads-of-week-june-22-30-2015.html
Who cares? It's just a name - the mechanics mostly stayed the same.
ReplyDeleteActually, DMDavid explains the reasons for the name change on his blog, and they seem pretty reasonable.
If you cannot bring yourself to care about this topic, Anonymous, then you cannot possibly be in possession of a soul. Therefore I must conclude that you are a vampire. Or an elf.
ReplyDeleteHopefully your hatred does not extend to the computer game "Rogue" - while not as detailed as Nethack, still entertaining.
ReplyDeleteOver in Tunnels & Trolls we have a "rogue" class, though it's explained it refers not to roguisn tendencies but to the fact that they're spellcasters who never joined the Wizard's Guild; i.e. short for "rogue wizards".
My feelings about the magic-user to wizard name switch are similar to the whole thief/rogue thing you describe. Formerly, one had to earn the title of "Wizard". If you survived to level 11 with a no armour, you deserved to be called one.
ReplyDeleteWhile I get where you're coming from with the MU thing, I always found the magic user name to be hopelessly literal. Same with fighters.
ReplyDeleteFor clarify, in 2nd Ed, the Rogue was not a class or archetype, it was a group. There were 4 groups: warrior, wizard, priest, and rogue. Groups defined hit points and combat values. The bard, guilder (from Birthright), ninja, etc were all part of the rogue group.
ReplyDeleteIt was 3E introduced the Rogue as a stand-alone class. I am with you, it was a dumb idea. "Rogue" is a personality, not a set of skills.